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Mr.9 Fingers
09-08-2011, 12:11 AM
I got to thinking the other day. Yeah scary thought, I know. I think it would be cool if the members of this forum designed a guitar and had it put into production. The Shine guitars thread kind of gave me the idea. We could approach Rondo or the place that sells the Shine guitars and see if they would be down with doing something like this and then do some voting on how we as a group would like to have it done and see if we can make it work. I think it would also be a good way to get some publicity out there for the site.

IbanezGuy
09-08-2011, 04:05 AM
That sounds interesting. Could be tough though. This site is pretty diverse guitar wise. Some guys on here love Mosrites/Rics/Teles....all that old stuff, then there are guys that like jazz boxes and flat tops. Then, of course guys like me that love ERGs and pointy headstocks. I'd be down with the idea....just not sure how we could fit a feature each person likes into one axe.

You know me.....it would be RG shaped, 24 fret, maple fretboard, stainless frets, sperzels, string through, hipshot bridge, 7 string, one EMG 707 in the neck, one EMG 707x in the bridge one volume knob, 3 way toggle, graphtec nut, brass ferrules, rear routed body, Alder, threaded brass inserts for the neck bolts, stainless allen head neck bolts, ESP stainless battery box, all stainless screws for the cavity covers.....but that's just me. ;)

SouthpawGuy
09-08-2011, 05:34 AM
I think this was discussed a couple of years ago, a limited Jackson run if I remember correctly. I don't think anything came of it.

MetalDaze
09-08-2011, 12:38 PM
I think the cost of the Jackson run would have been close to $3K, so that had to eliminate a bunch of folks. Plus it was metal as hell :dimebag:

That's the catch-22. The USA made guitars can be ordered in smaller batches, but the price is high. The import guitars would fit better into a lot of people's budgets, but it requires more orders than I think we could put together.

Plus, it's hard to get people to agree on specs no matter which way you go, and having common specs is what keeps the price down.

cosmic_ape
09-08-2011, 02:19 PM
There is a diverse crowd here, that's for sure. Budget wise, this will also be difficult to coordinate.

If you ask me, I'd want a Fender EJ strat, but not even Southpaw has succeeded at getting that done, so...

IbanezGuy
09-08-2011, 02:24 PM
I think the cost of the Jackson run would have been close to $3K, so that had to eliminate a bunch of folks. Plus it was metal as hell :dimebag:

That's the catch-22. The USA made guitars can be ordered in smaller batches, but the price is high. The import guitars would fit better into a lot of people's budgets, but it requires more orders than I think we could put together.

Plus, it's hard to get people to agree on specs no matter which way you go, and having common specs is what keeps the price down.

That is exactly what I was thinking too. Some guys are into jazz, blues and old rock. Others are into metal and harder styles of metal. Each of the guitars suitable for each type of style is noticeably different. It would be nearly impossible to make a guitar that fits the bill and covers all the genres perfectly.

Some guys dig the vintage looks......personally I don't. I like the extreme styled guitars, Xiphos, Destroyer, V, etc....or the sharp edges of the RG/JEM. I also prefer 24 frets over 22.....even if I don't venture into the higher notes very often the double octave neck just feels more "at home" in my hands. Some guys can't stand 24 frets. I wish I could get the "RG Extreme Shredding Machine" that would be neat.

At any rate it would be fun to brainstorm. I mean look at the nerds that engage in the "fantasy football" thing.....or even D&D. They seem to have fun doing that. No offense to the nerds that do that. ;)

Bob
09-08-2011, 02:27 PM
There is a diverse crowd here, that's for sure. Budget wise, this will also be difficult to coordinate.

If you ask me, I'd want a Fender EJ strat, but not even Southpaw has succeeded at getting that done, so...

If you hunt the thread, Elliot Easton posted here and is wanting to do a run of Fender EJ strats but i doubt i can afford getting in on one.

My next guitar will probably be a P90's of some sort...........but that new Cobain looks nice lol

Guys at leftyfrets.net are doing a couple runs of Mosrites and i think they have P90's? maybe i can get in on the 2nd run.......

Mr.9 Fingers
09-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Whoa triggers! You guys are all talking about $1000+ MIA guitars except for Ibanez guy, but he's still talking over that price point to. I'm talking about working with a place like Rondo for a $200/$300 Agile.

Mr.9 Fingers
09-08-2011, 02:47 PM
Don't get me wrong guys. I understand where everyone is coming from. I think everyone has the idea of a the perfect guitar for them. However, to be able to do this, all of us would have to set those ideas aside or there is really no way we'd ever get this done. We do this every year or so on the Seymour Duncan forum. The forum members vote on the specs of a Custom Shop pickup and SD winds it's for us when all the voting is done. Actually, what I'm proposing would be easier because we'd have to work within the confines of what is already offered. We would just be putting our own little twists on it.

Bob
09-08-2011, 02:56 PM
Whoa triggers! You guys are all talking about $1000+ MIA guitars except for Ibanez guy, but he's still talking over that price point to. I'm talking about working with a place like Rondo for a $200/$300 Agile.no SX's for me..........i have one here that needed more fret work than i wanted to mess with. Maybe the Agiles are good to go but no more SX's for me

I've been stocking up on tools from Stew-Mac for doing my own work now but i don't need anymore crap half finished guitars here......

Mr.9 Fingers
09-08-2011, 03:03 PM
no SX's for me..........i have one here that needed more fret work than i wanted to mess with. Maybe the Agiles are good to go but no more SX's for me

I've been stocking up on tools from Stew-Mac for doing my own work now but i don't need anymore crap half finished guitars here......

Most of the Agiles I have played/owned have been pretty solid right out of the box. Their cheaper guitars are something to be desired though. Both of the SX guitars I've owned needed serious fret and nut work to get decent action out of them.

cosmic_ape
09-08-2011, 03:38 PM
If you hunt the thread, Elliot Easton posted here and is wanting to do a run of Fender EJ strats but i doubt i can afford getting in on one.


I've seen the thread. I think I commented on it, too. That is just wishful thinking, as I am pretty sure I'd just buy a Suhr Custom, when the time is right. I just missed my chance of buying one by like a week (of course, of course) and went with something else instead...



Whoa triggers! You guys are all talking about $1000+ MIA guitars except for Ibanez guy, but he's still talking over that price point to. I'm talking about working with a place like Rondo for a $200/$300 Agile.

I knew that's what you were talking about, man. You mentioned Rondo, so I knew. I've had my share of cheap guitars that need upgrading and I personally feel the only guitar under $500 that is worth owning is the Epiphone Dot (and maybe an Eastwood, but I am yet to try them). Since I needed a Strat, I got a used MIM on GC and I intend to upgrade it eventually, but that's it for me.

So, I guess I'll just let you guys discuss amongst yourselves and have fun reading through this thread. I've read similar threads on other forums and they are always fun! I know Jerry has done lefty runs on some more obscure guitars in the past, so we should definitely have him join the conversation.

IbanezGuy
09-09-2011, 03:02 AM
I did see the Rondo comment man! However, if you look at the prices for the custom shop Agiles they are still above the $500 mark. If I had to settle on specs and put all heavy metal ideas aside.

Well, I'd probably go with the Agile AL shape, 25.5" scale, 22 fret, Medium Jumbos, SD pups, 1 volume, 1 tone, 3 way toggle, 3/4" Maple cap on Mahogany body, Neck thru, 5 piece neck (consisting of Mahogany-Maple-Bubinga-Maple-Mahogany), Grover tuners, String through, Recessed Tone Pros TOM, Rosewood fretboard with black binding, no pickguard, direct mount pups, Abalone dot inlays.......So it would be sort of AL3000+ spec.

Not to change the subject but did anyone see those new Douglas Grendel 7 strings? Dumb name I know.....but they look GREAT. I have a Douglas V and it is actually pretty decent.

bob_amos
09-11-2011, 02:56 PM
An Agile or Douglas would work. Dougies are very well made. But this is something that would be tough to design. Like most have said, we all have different wants and needs. But... it sure would be fun, even if we don't get one made. Just a design that we could take credit for.

I say, let's do this just for fun if nothing else?

Olav
09-11-2011, 03:35 PM
So, can we settle on a design/model?

Bob
09-11-2011, 04:34 PM
So, can we settle on a design/model?

What do you have in mind Olav?

IbanezGuy
09-11-2011, 04:59 PM
My vote: Agile AL.

SouthpawGuy
09-11-2011, 06:21 PM
My vote: Agile AL.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/funnies/uwp.jpg

:D :banger:

crawdaddy
09-11-2011, 09:40 PM
I've had my share of cheap guitars that need upgrading and I personally feel the only guitar under $500 that is worth owning is the Epiphone Dot (and maybe an Eastwood, but I am yet to try them). Since I needed a Strat, I got a used MIM on GC and I intend to upgrade it eventually, but that's it for me.

So, I guess I'll just let you guys discuss amongst yourselves and have fun reading through this thread. I've read similar threads on other forums and they are always fun! I know Jerry has done lefty runs on some more obscure guitars in the past, so we should definitely have him join the conversation.

You mentioned the Eastwood and I have a 12 string model that I liked, but it didn't do much for me.........until........I plugged it into the Vox AC15!!! It became a different guitar. I was really feeling the Byrds throught he Vox.

And then you mentioned Jerry doing the runs....I'm (so is Saufen, he ordered one too) still waiting for my "Hallmark" guitar that we ordered about 3 months ago. Every day I hope this is the day it arrives, can't wait.

Here is what it'll look like when it arrives:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg218/maccraw/olio/SurfPearlbodywholeonrug-1.jpg

IbanezGuy
09-12-2011, 07:31 AM
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/funnies/uwp.jpg

:D :banger:

Lol! Well I'm talking about a modded version of this AL ("AL3000 Thru"....it sells for $700.00 w/HSC):

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/al3000thruhsbfboundquilt1.jpg

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/al3000thruhsbfboundquilt3.jpg

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/al3000thruhsbfboundquilt4.jpg

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/al3000thruhsbfboundquilt5.jpg

Changes I'd like to see on this particular AL would be:

~Ditch the stop tail piece....go recessed Tone Pro TOM with a string through setup
~Direct Mount Humbuckers, open coil Seymour Duncans outta the box!
~Gibson Nighthawk style controls....except with a 3 way toggle as opposed to the "blade" style switch
~3/4" Maple Cap like on the "AL3000M". It has a 3/4" Maple capped Mahogany body, with a 1/16th" AA Grade Flame Maple veneer
~And of course.....lefty! Maybe some different finishes? I like the idea of transparent black, or even a satin "Bloodburst" like on the Agile Intrepids.....that finish feels awesome.

Samick did a String Through body LP....here is what it looked like:

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/SamickLP.jpg

cosmic_ape
09-12-2011, 10:10 AM
THIS (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEFT-HANDED-Shine-ST420F-Semi-Hollow-Flamed-maple-top-/270814887093?pt=Guitar&hash=item3f0dd33cb5) caught my eye!

IbanezGuy
09-12-2011, 11:44 AM
I just checked out the "Shine" guitars (http://www.saein.co.kr/) and while some of them are original to the brand name....(as well as NICE looking) there are quite a few that are Douglas guitars with a different headstock shape. That Tele copy with the pot leaf (and pot leaf inlays on a maple fretboard....I love that neck!) on it is EXACTLY the same as the Douglas version.

Are these Shine guitars made in the same factory by the same South Korean workers?

That one you linked cosmic is VERY nice looking.

Mr.9 Fingers
09-12-2011, 12:04 PM
Well, to make this work, all of will have to make some compromises. Remember, we're doing this partly for us, partly for the forum, and possibly the opportunity to make something unique that isn't on the market right now. We also have to keep it affordable, so most of us can get in on it.

Here's my thoughts on it. You can basically break players down into 2 categories, Strat and LP players. To make a decent compromise is to have a double cut guitar with a set neck. Scale length would be up in the air. To be fair, I think an hum/single/hum or hum/single/single layout would provide the best of both worlds. Lets be realistic about that though. In the price range we're talking about, we'll probably end up replacing the pickups anyway, so I wouldn't get real picky about that. Then you have to decide body and neck woods, bridge options, controls, etc...Frets and radius will probably be limited to what is on hand that's being used already. Could probably say the same for the radius of the fret board.

Olav
09-12-2011, 12:10 PM
What do you have in mind Olav?

Nothing much at the moment. I'll tell you my likes and dislikes though.
Like a wraparound on just about anything.
Don't like humbuckers.
Like a nice flame.
Don't like a burst.
Like any 'conventional' shape.
Don't like a :dimebag: shape.
Like a trem.
Don't like double necks.

See? I'm easy to please.

Don't mind black.
Do mind gold hardware.
Don't mind a zero fret.
Do mind headless.
Don't care for 7/8/9string
Would like good acoustic.

I dunno...

Olav
09-12-2011, 01:22 PM
Well, to make this work, all of will have to make some compromises. Remember, we're doing this partly for us, partly for the forum, and possibly the opportunity to make something unique that isn't on the market right now. We also have to keep it affordable, so most of us can get in on it.

Here's my thoughts on it. You can basically break players down into 2 categories, Strat and LP players. To make a decent compromise is to have a double cut guitar with a set neck. Scale length would be up in the air. To be fair, I think an hum/single/hum or hum/single/single layout would provide the best of both worlds. Lets be realistic about that though. In the price range we're talking about, we'll probably end up replacing the pickups anyway, so I wouldn't get real picky about that. Then you have to decide body and neck woods, bridge options, controls, etc...Frets and radius will probably be limited to what is on hand that's being used already. Could probably say the same for the radius of the fret board.


About the humbucker dislike; I can see me switching the hum(s) in a guitar to Toasters or *Trons...

IbanezGuy
09-13-2011, 04:26 AM
How about something with a pickguard that is routed underneath for H/S/H like the RG550s are? That way those that would rather run S/S/S can.....

In this scenario I'd be good with either a Strat shape or a Tele shape. IMO they both look great with pickguards. I'm cool with 22 frets....I'd rather have 24, but 22 is fine. I dislike 21 fret necks though.

As for bridge, my vote is String through hardtail. Either TOM or a simple Gotoh GTC101 style bridge is fine with me. Agiles are great because they use Grover tuners, I like them tuners alot.

I also dislike:

Gold Hardware
Double Necks
Wraparound Bridges
Headless
Single Coils
PRS style bodies/necks
Poplar
Plywood
MDF
21 fret necks
Jack output plates
Fugly Headstock shapes!
24.75" scale (On bolt on guitars)
12 strings
Holoflash/HC burst
Lo TRS style/shaped trems (angled)
Open geared tuners (excluding Hipshot/Sperzel)
Tuners on a plate.....ewwww! Reminds me of an old Telestar I used to own (my VERY first "guitar" actually)

I DO like:

Explorer/X/V shaped guitars
Traditional Strat/LP/Tele shaped guitars
Finishes other than Black...although Black CAN be nice if used right (Maple fretboards)
Hardtail bridges, String through
6/7/8 strings....9 is a little too wide for my small hands though
Humbuckers
Ash/Alder/Basswood/Mahogany
24 fret necks (although 22 is fine)
Flush mount barrel output jacks (or a metal LP style jack plate if a plate is absolutely required)
Headstocks that look good
25.5" scale
Satin/Oil/Poly/Nitro finishes
Flame/Quilt/Burst/Solid/Sparkle/Fabric finishes
OFR/Edge shaped trems (Rectangular)
Sealed tuners

IbanezGuy
09-13-2011, 05:43 AM
This is what I whipped up, I can see these being nice Agile models in the $499.99 price range (maybe a little cheaper).

First up is a nice LP in a glorious Blue Flame finish:

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/LGTHardtailLP.jpg

Next up is a sweet Tele sporting a Blue Sparkle finish:

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/LGTHardtailTele.jpg

And finally we have a killer Strat with a Blue Flame/Burst finish! Superb!:

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/LGTHardtailStrat.jpg

Of course pickguards could be added to the Tele/Strat to change the pups desired. I love the direct mount look! :)

I would have made them in left hand....but the program didn't offer it, that feels strangely familiar to me.....lol.

Olav
09-13-2011, 12:12 PM
Yummie;
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1183/lgtcustom.jpg
can we get that in candy orange?

IbanezGuy
09-13-2011, 02:33 PM
Not sure how you flipped it to be lefty but here it is:

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/CandyOrangeLGTTele.jpg

Olav
09-13-2011, 02:51 PM
Yumz
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6922/lgttelecandyorangelh.jpg

couple of these in there;
http://www.google.nl/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.gretschguitars.com/themes/support/images/definitions/hilotron.jpg&sa=X&ei=06pvToLuDc3sOfbVgKkJ&ved=0CAcQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEHvjuY_29bni4FgUUegrhpryzfHA
Yumzers

Bob
09-13-2011, 03:45 PM
Yumz
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6922/lgttelecandyorangelh.jpg

couple of these in there;
http://www.google.nl/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.gretschguitars.com/themes/support/images/definitions/hilotron.jpg&sa=X&ei=06pvToLuDc3sOfbVgKkJ&ved=0CAcQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEHvjuY_29bni4FgUUegrhpryzfHA
Yumzers

nice and reminds me of the Schecter PT i've been wanting

Also Olav use your new magical powers and move this thread to here? http://forum.leftyguitartrader.com/forumdisplay.php?22-Group-Buys

IbanezGuy
09-13-2011, 03:46 PM
These are the only Filtertrons they have.....

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/TheBlueBlazer27/CandyOrangeTeleFilterTrons.jpg

Guys, feel free to design your own.....here is the link: http://www.yajimastringworks.com/tct/yswtct-kisekae-e.asp

Just click on the guitar model you want to build then click "Continue as guest" and "I agree". Then the flash program will load and you are ready! It takes a little getting used to but it is FUN!

Olav
09-13-2011, 03:53 PM
nice and reminds me of the Schecter PT i've been wanting

Also Olav use your new magical powers and move this thread to here? http://forum.leftyguitartrader.com/forumdisplay.php?22-Group-Buys

Moved.

Good suggestion Bob. Why didn't I think of that...

IbanezGuy
09-14-2011, 03:46 AM
Hey all, I just wanted to put this out there......right NOW Rondo is doing "Semi-Custom" orders for April 2012. They have a handful of models to choose from. AL, Interceptor, Septor, Pendulum. 6/7/8/9 string. The prices aren't bad and they all come WITH a Hardshell Case. Check it out! This might be what we need to approach Kurt about if we can all agree on a certain model. Like I said before, I'd vote for the AL model as it is more traditional. If I had my choice though I'd really want the Septor in a 7 string. But, I still have an AL2000 and I LOVE that guitar. So, an AL3100 would likely be great.

If we can all agree on one of Agile's models, and can get enough of us interested then maybe he can arrange for a "Semi-Custom" batch just for us? It's possible. The options he has listed for each model is pretty good for the price, and they are ALL being offered in lefty. What do you guys think? I know I'm down!

Hypothetically......lets say we can't agree on one model. For instance I would like the 7 string Septor, and lets say that Olav would rather rock the Argus 625, and 9 Fingers would prefer the AL3100......etc......would it be outside of the realm of possibility that we stick to one color regardless of what model we choose? Like an "official LGT" finish? Or something like that.....I'm just brainstorming here. Obviously the finish would have to be something unique....or otherwise "special"......maybe even custom inlays or something.


*UPDATE* Tomorrow the wife & I are going to discuss the possibility of me ordering one of these "Semi Custom" Septor 7s. If it all works out I'm going to go with the OceanBurst Flame! Wow!!!! Fingers Crossed!

saufen
09-14-2011, 05:53 PM
I like that stat stlye w/ a fixed bridge and I love the color Blue Flame/Burst . also I like Olav's sugjestion of pickups. Yummy-Yumzrers.

LeftyBlake
09-21-2011, 03:53 AM
I'd be down to participate some time in the future.

I tend to like traditional styles of guitars, but I'd be interested in almost anything. I came up with the pic below. I'd be cool with HSS or HSH, or maybe even HH pickup setups. A TOM or Strat hardtail, or even a string through, would be cool with me too. I'm not picky about colors either.

This would be pretty cool, I think. But I'd be open to most anything.

1626

Doc Rorick
11-09-2011, 12:54 AM
And then you mentioned Jerry doing the runs....I'm (so is Saufen, he ordered one too) still waiting for my "Hallmark" guitar that we ordered about 3 months ago. Every day I hope this is the day it arrives, can't wait.

Here is what it'll look like when it arrives:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg218/maccraw/olio/SurfPearlbodywholeonrug-1.jpg


Aaargh! That's freakin SWEET. Damn. Wish I woulda got in on that run!

Anyway, just came across the thread and like what's in the works. I'm game, count me in.

I've pretty much been a more traditional-style guitar guy so the concepts y'all've worked up are all all right with me. That said, I'm about to start a thread for an Explorer run...

astutzmann
11-09-2011, 07:04 AM
I had a hallmark on order, I was one of the 10. I let it go, so perhaps there is one available, you'll have to check with Jerry.

Mine was the green.

saufen
11-09-2011, 11:14 AM
Wow they still are not finnished yet?? Like Crawdaddy mentioned I got in on the first run with a deposit.. but gave my spot to someone else. (and got my deposit back) I had the sunset sparkle..

Doc Rorick
11-09-2011, 11:25 AM
I had a hallmark on order, I was one of the 10. I let it go, so perhaps there is one available, you'll have to check with Jerry.

Mine was the green.

I'm not sure whether to thank you or curse you... if I call and it's still available, I'm in a bit of trouble!

crawdaddy
11-10-2011, 12:04 PM
I was just reading that the Hallmark guitars should ready very soon, but we've been hearing that every month for the last 5 or so!!!!

I can't wait, it will make a great christmas present for the wife.....to bad she is a righty!!!! I guess I'll have to play it.

saufen
11-26-2011, 09:55 PM
Just a thought, but what about having one of our own members who builds guitars do a custom run.. (if they can or want to) We all know otterhound has skills and knowhow! I won the raffle for an otterhound tele and I play it alot..shes a beuty...
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/138loki/DSCN5530.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/138loki/DSCN5523.jpg